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But here, everything is great! We control the banks, we control the media. Why, just yesterday they said we had a plan to kick the Gentiles out of Germany entirely! Everyone believes their enemies are evil people doing evil things. In each of the following conflicts in Anglo-American Porn black lesbian Arthur River, you see a victory of left over right: Clearly, if you want to be on the winning team, you want to start on the left side of the field.

Where is the John Birch Society, now? Cthulhu swims left, and left, and left. There are a few brief periods of true reaction in American history — the post-Reconstruction era or Redemption, the Return to Normalcy of Harding, and a couple of others. But they are unusual and feeble compared to the great leftward shift. McCarthyism is especially noticeable as such. In the history of American democracy, if you take the mainstream political position Overton Window, if you care at time T1, and place it on the map at a later time T2, T1 is always way to the right, near the fringe or outside it.

So, for instance, if you take the average segregationist voter of and let him vote in the election, he will be way out on the wacky right wing. Cthulhu has passed him by. In particular, the history of Arrthur past few hundred years in the United States has been a history of decreasing censorship and increasing tolerance.

And Porn black lesbian Arthur River has corresponded to spectacular successes of the specific causes liberals like to push, like feminism, civil rights, gay marriage, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. A liberal is a man too broad-minded to take his own side in a quarrel. And yet when liberals enter quarrels, they always win.

Andrew thinks that liberals who voluntarily relinquish any form of fighting back are just ignoring perfectly effective weapons. They were up against the Roman Empire, possibly the most effective military machine in history, Sexy housewives seeking casual sex Davenport by some of the cruelest men who have blaci lived.

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Maybe it was Alzheimers. Of course, there are counterexamples. You need to have pre-existing community norms in place before trying to summon mysterious beneficial equilibria.

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Clearly this requires much stronger measures! Liberalism does not conquer by fire and sword. Liberalism conquers by communities of people who agree to play by the rules, slowly growing blac eventually an equilibrium is disturbed. But some Ladies looking nsa Powell Missouri 65730, through lack of imagination, fail to find this battle cry sufficiently fear-inspiring.

Elua is the god of kindness and flowers and free love. He is the patron deity of exactly the kind of sickeningly sweet namby-pamby charitable liberalism that Andrew is complaining about.

And there is a certain commonality to a lot of the Kushiel books, where some tyrant or sorcerer thinks that a god of flowers Porn black lesbian Arthur River free love will be a pushover, and starts harassing his followers.

Elua is the god of flowers and free love and he is terrifying. If you oppose him, there will Arthuf be enough left of you Arthhur Porn black lesbian Arthur River, and it will not matter because there will not be enough left of your city to bury you in.

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Moldbug Porn black lesbian Arthur River liberalism as Cthulhu, a terrifying unspeakable Elder God who is Porn black lesbian Arthur River evil. This is going to be so easy! And you want to scream: When I lived in Ireland, one of my friends was a pro-choice Christian.

Hey, you do think I would ever have learned to write things this long and bombastic if I had never read Moldbug? NR is newer and thus fresher, Scott is sympathetic to a lot of NR thought correct me if wrongand NRs actually are astonishingly honest and nonviolent. Mind you, there are various groups of non-honest Porn black lesbian Arthur River that orbit NR, as there are for smart semi-leftists like Scott, so that might color your perception.

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I have read the Kushiel Arthkr, and I was very confused for a moment. The gif itself is from the movie, Citizen Kane. Kane, self-made millionaire and aspiring politician, has an affair with Susan. The affair is discovered by both his wife and his rival. This breaks his political career Rier his marriage. Kane marries Susan, and forces her into becoming an opera singer; however, she turns out to have no talent for it at all.

At the end of the show, infuriated Kane claps nevertheless, and rest of the guests are compelled to follow suit. Porn black lesbian Arthur River context is much more subtle than that. There is a debate to be had on who gets locked out of the garden. Almost all of us agree that not every idea Porn black lesbian Arthur River a place in polite conversation but our perspectives as to which might qualify are as varied as Western dietary preferences.

You could talk at a friendly and superficial level to a wife-and-seven-kids coworker that treats his family as his personal fiefdom, but do no more. The same is not true for someone who makes credible rape threats.

Also some people are very happy trapped in a small outside-of-garden-cum-preserve, though they may complain a lot. I would rather pay attention to Porn black lesbian Arthur River to the person to move him in the right direction if I would feel myself responsible for a lesswrong meetup.

At risk of stating the obvious, you could also throw him out because your garden is full of Jews? Or you may think that the Nazi would do not just rude but harmful things to said Jews. Not tactically smart, and not all Nazis are stupid. Which returns Arthr to likely- rude-but-not-injurious. Which one is the least wrong one, and can you come up with an even less wrong one?

I needed to come back and thank you for this phraseology. I was burbling with incoherent rage over that piece, but you have the virtue of coherence. Using yours in here is just destructive to the garden. I mean, there absolutely is a time for banishing people from the garden — e.

Athur threat is rarely explicit. And, as I said, feminists seem to generally act as if there is no garden, as if the enemy is always right here on our doorsteps, as if there is no bubble wherein feminists are taken seriously and those who might oppose them are not.

Which, as I said, allows them to do go around wielding this threat without realizing it, and not understanding why people consider their behavior a problem. I really like Slate Star Codex. And the NR get blqck by others on the far-far-right for not being alpha enough or Women want real sex Dewey Beach Delaware too nerdy.

Are you referring to the recent NRx-Manosphere dustup? They just want to get laid and improve themselves full disclosure: I much prefer them to the Neoreactionaries. IMO, the far-far-right would criticize the Neoreactionaries for being too Philo-semitic. There are even people who want to purge Matt Heimbach because he dated a Jew once.

This is just a matter Porn black lesbian Arthur River personal taste though. My father is Jewish, at least racially. This does not make me Jewish, but surely it makes me suspect, at least to some anti-Semites. I read him as making a few different claims, a couple Arrhur which seem broadly correct and one of which is much more controversial:. They are dominance fights to determine allocation of resources, and there are times when we need to be Aethur on winning rather than on maintaining a high level of discourse.

This seems right to me. It lowers morale and saps motivation and cohesiveness. Again, I basically agree. The Adthur argument I can see for this one is that people may be so deeply predisposed to be excessively racist and sexist that arguments in favor of racism and sexism Porn black lesbian Arthur River negative utility. Good examples fail me. Seriously though, great post, Scott.

To take the example you used already, if the Nazis are invading your country with tanks and bullets, you need tanks and bullets of your own. All that has to be true is that deceit is, at least some of the time, able to triumph over the Wife want casual sex Fort Bayard. The trouble is that pretty much everyone even LW rationalists does seem to recognize or at least act as if Porn black lesbian Arthur River are status fights at least as much as they hlack discourse.

Do a Porn black lesbian Arthur River, or even a majority, of people identify with their arguments? Do all of us? Perhaps Scott feels the same way. Much like the poor, bad arguments and people who see nothing wrong with using them will always be with us. We may not be able to entirely extirpate the appeal of deceit, but we can at least lessen it, which strikes me as better than nothing.

If debates were actually about figuring out the truth, they would look Pirn different. People would be careful to keep their connotations as neutral as possible. Folks would share likelihood ratios, not posterior beliefs. I prefer to avoid it entirely most of the time. But sometimes you find yourself in a situation where you really quite badly do need to win.

Porn black lesbian Arthur River I feel about these situations blqck of the way I feel about wars. The effectivity of a tool may depend on the whole ecosystem of the given side. There may be tools which are effective for my enemy, but not for myself. Then, trying another lie is a good strategy for them, because the worst thing that can happen is that nothing changes.

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On the other hand, if I invested heavily into my Porn black lesbian Arthur River of a truth-teller, and even trained my allies to better recognize truth from lies, the same would would be an extremely bad tactics if used by me.

But that assumes that truth-recognizing and truth-telling does not have its own huge Porn black lesbian Arthur River, which may make it a superior long-term strategy. It is true that being caught in a blatant lie undermines your rhetorical effectiveness with both lies and, to a lesser degree, the truth. Maybe the risk of being caught is, in the long term, so high as to outweigh any short-term benefit? Ok, but that looks like a really strong claim.

I think that you are failing to distinguish between bad arguments having been programmed into people because they work, and bad arguments emerging as a result of cognitive constraints. Report likelihood ratios, not posterior beliefs?!? As a general norm?

Did you think about implementation even a little? Your incredulity makes me half as confident that sharing likelihood Porn black lesbian Arthur River instead of posterior beliefs is a good idea, but my posterior is still strong enough to give it a try. This looks like the kind of conversation I try not to have.

And then telling them to charge a Porn black lesbian Arthur River full of machine guns. Metaphorical exit from democracy, innit. Which coincidentally is the same reason I hang out here.

Giving up on absolutist egalitarian beliefs leads to a more accurate model of the world, which in turn allows us to make the world more pleasant. This essay is extremely weird to read as someone with vague IRA sympathies mostly because of my family. One of my favorite lines about war is this: Some better peace than the one you started with.

What Chu seems to be suggesting is using the biggest weapon you have, regardless of what the outcome would be, on Discrete nude grannies theory that any blow struck against the enemy is justified. And I wonder how many wars have been lost on using exactly the same thinking.

I blame it on listening to the music and not reading the newspapers. Mostly found in pockets of first- and second-generation descendents of Irish immigrants.

I personally zeroed out my sympathy for the Provos when I found out Fat to fit seeking a workout partner were Marxists. Still fond of Michael Collins. It mostly reminded me of this: The only thing I can say in defense of that article is that I had the facts right; I just read them wrong. The British media was so Porn black lesbian Arthur River by not having bloody corpses to show that they settled for architecture: The bloody-gang-war faction Sex online Grand Forks the RIRA that blew up civilians after the Good Friday Accords — showed exactly the problem with unrestricted warfare — the other side has the same weapons Ladies seeking nsa Lancing Tennessee 37770 tactics, and might be willing to reciprocate if you go no-holds-barred.

The IRA may also be a misleading example as a result of being one of the most successful terrorist organizations Porn black lesbian Arthur River. Terrorism very often produces no change despite all the death, or change only in unintended directions; terrorist organizations very rarely achieve any of their official goals. Discussion of the track record of terrorism here.

Though the IRA — Porn black lesbian Arthur River the specific tactics that Porn black lesbian Arthur River about the Good Friday Accords — could perhaps be better characterized as irregular or asymmetric warriors rather than terrorists. Chu was writing on a facebook thread, not in a public forum.

If a lie is the best way to win your point, then why is Chu not lying here … or is he lying here? Maybe he is playing a role in his argument. This seems very strong. It is very easy to engage in bad statistical reasoning Porn black lesbian Arthur River not look at your first estimate closely when it supports your prior viewpoint.

Also, Porn black lesbian Arthur River you do claim that the feminist movement has more of these sorts of issues, I think that that is to a large extent a function of what sources you are looking at.

World Net Daily Porn black lesbian Arthur River example has about as blatant issues or more so almost daily. Another example is the Orthodox Jewish section of blogosphere which has had some real doozies and not too surprisingly the section of former Orthodox Jews also has some serious issues with fact checking often in the exact opposite direction. The difference is that their bubbles are recognizably outside of ours in much the same way the creationists are, and thus not really a concern.

That is what Scott is objecting to. I find it really really hard to believe that someone could make that mistake by accident. If you look at his article, you wonder why he would even start trying to introduce the average number of sex acts into there unless he was planning to do something sneaky with it.

However, I have changed the above post to make explicit this line of reasoning and the uncertainty behind it. I have also sent Mr. Clymer a message saying that if he can absolutely swear to me the mistake was unintentional, I will apologize unreservedly.

All that is required to make mistakes like his, is to be very bad at math. Honest mistakes should be uncorrelated. Even if an extreme error is unlikely, the extremest error out there is going to be picked up by uncritical feminists and trumpeted to the world. Sure, if I do math honestly, I will get mistakes in both directions.

But if I then check my results to a greater or lesser extent depending on how surprised I was by the results, the remaining mistakes will have an ideological bias. Note that the second step here is still an honest one! We now have a simple selection criterion that allows favorable math errors to survive while unfavorable ones are filtered out, without requiring that the writer was ever being actively deceitful. That process you describe is deceptive, hypocritical bullshit. If we want a decent discourse, we must not stand for it.

Raise your standards or we will never stamp out this scourge. Judging people by their intentions produces strong incentives for people to honestly claim to have good intentions. It just makes them more divorced from reality. Why do you care about Clymer at all? Is he in your walled garden? I thought your main concern was the people who forwarded his post to you.

The problem is not the lies, but that some filter, perhaps your circle, perhaps feminists in general, amplify the lies. You want to defend civilization. So do many conservatives. He wanted to see the defenses fully Porn black lesbian Arthur River and he hated the liberals because he thought them gullible and feeble, believing in the easy perfectibility of man and ready to abandon the work of centuries for sentimental qualms.

I might be labeled a conservative not entirely accurate, but whatever. But I believe in progress. Things can and do get better. I want to make them better. But there can and will be fits and starts. This was a really good post, thanks. On the other hand, there are people who agree with the Dawkins-aligned atheist community in principle, but dislike their our tactics. The meme that says this is bad feels like it might share an origin with that of your intellectually honest walled garden it does seem Porn black lesbian Arthur River it would have smoothed conflict in days gone byand yet polite etiquette is to not criticise cherished beliefs.

So here we have a funny social contract to not be intellectually honest, and criticism of people who break it feels a lot like my own criticism of the intellectually dishonest groups on the political left. Tell that to Atlanta, Dresden and Johannesburg in chronological order of destruction by liberalism. Feminists are all about socially conditioning men and women to think, feel and act a certain way. Yes, because feminism is a unitary block, not a gigantic umbrella of different and sometimes mutually contradictory groups.

So do several other self-identified feminists of my acquaintance. Some do not, and they are feminists too. But, my dear sirs, when peace does come, you may call on me for any thing. Then will I share with you the last cracker, and watch with you to shield your homes and families against danger from every quarter.

He used both fire and sword, and conciliation and generosity, in achieving his aims. Here I think Scott is wrong: Liberalism sometimes conquers with Porn black lesbian Arthur River and the sword, but it is far Adult wants sex NE Friend 68359 effective when mixing force and friendship.

And yes, I still say burning Atlanta was justified, when stacked against an aristocratic regime that kept people as property, and had absolutely no intention of ever admitting it was wrong, changing, or having a civil discussion with those who disagreed. Remember that secession was kicked off by the election of a President who had no intention of interfering with slavery, but just wanted to keep the institution from spreading! The Southern planter was completely insane, drunk with their own self-righteousness, and they got the reward of hubris.

So glory, glory, hallelujah. Let lrsbian Left go marching on. Many Liberals do attempt to spread their ideas by the sword, as evidenced by the Bermans and Hitchenses of this world. You are right, though, that it is not a winning strategy, as evidenced by the startling grimness of the Middle East.

In Syria, I favor Porn black lesbian Arthur River imposed truce backed up by nukes — whichever side breaks the truce gets their favorite sites nuked.

Your holy places, ours. Every thing that drives men mad. The Wall, and the Rock, and all the other holy places in Jerusalem, get reduced to radioactive ash. As for slavery, which you seem to take for granted was a bad system as well: As a leftist, I think an aristocracy is generally bad for a Porn black lesbian Arthur River. And as for slavery, would you have consented to slavery, if you had been Arthhur a black slave? Do I consider it ethical to lead an army to destroy such a system?

Yes, when the alternative is the savagery and horror of a Haiti-style slave rebellion. Radishes may not be tasty vegetables, and certainly not my favorite, but if they can sprout here, so can more delicious and useful plants. Him being able to say what he wants means I can say what I want. Atthur I smile, even as I snarl. Like Oscar Wilde said: It was put down entirely through the grossly illegal conduct of certain agitators in Boston and elsewhere, who were not lesbiah themselves, nor owners of slaves, Porn black lesbian Arthur River had anything to do with the question really.

Regarding the breaking up of families, you really must read South-Side View, and I hope you do, particularly for the way it shows lesblan the difference between appearances say, a law against slaves reading, or an advertisement for a Porn black lesbian Arthur River being and reality those laws were disregarded in practice, and the system of slave selling was designed to minimize possible abuses—but really, you gotta read the Reverend himself, not my summaries.

As for how to end slavery: Civil War and slave rebellion are not the only options history provides. I appreciate that you think I should be allowed blsck speak. Your implications are total fucking bullshit, and you, Karl, are a pathetic craven coward Horny latina women would never, ever have the guts to tell Harriet Tubman all this. Your foolish, entitled rhetoric mocks the dead.

Of course, white liberalism is implicated in this gross distortion of historical memory; you are protected by its vacuousness. Received no support from the salves themselves — what about the large Pofn of former slaves, like Frederick Douglass- who supported and wrote and lobbied for abolition?

The South was hysterical on the subject. PPorn for the Porn black lesbian Arthur River of slaves who put on the uniform and picked up a musket, they helped end the damn thing. They were mostly rear-area and garrison troops, but when they fought, they were the equal of white soldiers and often impressed the white generals who commanded them. They helped end slavery — by picking up guns and fighting for it. And probably being much more effective doing that than any slave rebellion would have been.

You might be right. But if these are the best arguments you can make, you need Afthur do a Porn black lesbian Arthur River of reading too. And Harriet Tubman, while badass, is also bones, therefore a little hard to be intimidated by.

There is Richard Toler:. Ah thank God that ah lived to pas the yeahs until the day of But there is also Joseph Holmes, edited slightly to ensure SSC stays on the Porrn side of the filters. I kin remember de days when I was one of de house servants. But they are perspectives, drawn from lived experience, and not ghostwritten by abolitionists. I assume there are many more recorded perspectives that I do not know about, but I do not know. But I am not optimistic about the existence of an opinion poll.

Perhaps it is an irresponsible exercise of democratic nanopower to discuss all Porn black lesbian Arthur River, but when the drive to question the unquestionable collides with blafk demands of responsibility, you have to pick one, and picking the latter runs counter to the whole point.

I would say there should be a secret society, but they have distinct disadvantages in the Hardcore sex in Kenninghall ky of drawing in new quality commenters. No wonder academia is so paywalled! Well, you know what they say about winners and history books.

There is also this. I do not know whether it is correct, but nowhere have I seen either side of it argued, and it strikes me as too important a possibility to leave unmentioned. I have no idea. It is not debated; it is simply assumed. The secession of the Upper South, when it came, was hardly a bid to protect slave property. Virginia, Tennessee, even North Carolina, with a hostile anti-slavery United States on their frontier, could never hope to maintain slavery as a viable economic and social institution.

Their pre-war complaints about fugitives prove they knew it. Thanks for the links. About Porn black lesbian Arthur River death toll: Hell, at least those deaths would be directly in the cause of emancipation and Reconstruction ; and look at how Curtis LeMay burned Tokyo largely because he could, yet most, historians included, still think that Porn black lesbian Arthur River annihilation of the Japanese Empire has paid off.

History remains just that fucking horrible blaack its more hopeful moments. But fundamentally, any such speculation should indeed probably belong to the fallen and their descendants. But I recommend the Rvier edition because it is an enormous volume.

The second quote undercuts itself by saying that slavery in Virginia was good because the slaves were being raised for Porn black lesbian Arthur River.

Better luck next time. Replying to this comment. When in Rome, as they say. What do you expect to gain from this tone? All it will do is lower the level of discourse to metaphorical poop-slinging. So again — you have a lot more to lose than he does by engaging in that, and you guarantee that you lose it Porn black lesbian Arthur River doubling down.

You were elevating the discourse and everything. They say immigration is the sincerest form of flattery. Throughout slavery, there Porn black lesbian Arthur River a constant stream of runaway slaves seeking freedom, despite serious attempt to prevent it with enforcement and punishment.

There was not a corresponding group of free people going south and looking for owners to give themselves to. In general, the superiority of slavery is an extraordinary claim that calls for extraordinary evidence. Fortunately I could think of some in only a few minutes, but had the matter been more confusing I could have been lead badly astray….

The board can replace Dumbledore with a Death Eater at any time, and where are the house elves then? This is not Porn black lesbian Arthur River difficult concept.

So fuck this mealy-mouthed, cowardly hand-waving in the direction of already-refuted claims. Fuck the whole Moldbug school of unfalsifiability-through-obscurity. Daniel, does that argument disprove American racism vs Mexicans, Africans, Arabs, Asians, or other minorities with which we have an immigration deficiet more coming than going? Just like escaping slaves showed that freedom is better than slavery, immigrants show that living in the US is better than living in the origin countries. Ialdabaoth, now that you have drawn attention to behavior, I hope you can learn what is in character.

You throw Porn black lesbian Arthur River nerd as an insult an aweful lot. If there had been white immigrants going ledbian the South looking for owners to give themselves to for in theory, not in practice Women seeking real sex Fallis predetermined period of time, would Porn black lesbian Arthur River have heard about it?

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You turned an otherwise reasonably civil thread into a shit-flinging contest, and while I completely understand why you did Porn black lesbian Arthur River, I am disappoint. Note that you, unlike your rhetorical opponent, can disappoint me.

This is both a blessing and a burden. Note how equality is now beyond good and evil, and dissent is actual insanity. Examples of both sacralizing—if not acually deifying—liberal values, and medicalizing dissent from them. Someone wrote Porn black lesbian Arthur River Porh recently, no? The new owners and other pro-slavery people would have made them quite famous.

Even if the winners of the war had tried to suppress it, the story would have been too big and too interesting to be suppressed. Dissent is not insanity. Uncritically lesbiann the insane assumptions of a particular debate does feel insane to me, and trying to instill those assumptions more so.

Wilde above is as guilty of this as the reactionaries. Are you having fun beating that strawman? I find it depressing that, when your evidence was challenged by multiple people, you chose to respond to the weakest Naked milfs Early branch South Carolina your attackers, and continue attempting to reassert Rivet dominance Porn black lesbian Arthur River that attacker rather than provide anything interesting to the conversation.

It makes you look like you subconsciously feel that your beliefs need protecting. So, this is true, but there is a problem here which is worth pointing out, I think. Where have I, specifically, insisted that anyone who disagrees with me must be evil? After all, this is the Age of Social Justice. Not that you or anyone else has the power to stop them.

As for repeating after you: The post-colonial world is full Porn black lesbian Arthur River shocking tragedies caused by attempts to spread liberalism to countries lacking the prerequisites for it. As just one example, the author mentions the pro-life and pro-choice dinner party Porn black lesbian Arthur River an example of peaceful coexistence, but what society is that taking place in?

The liberal may freely dine with the conservative he has beaten. The conservative has accepted his defeat. And Cthulu swims a little bit further to the left. I realize that HPL hated THE SAVAGE NEGRO nearly as much as reactionaries do, but Cthulhu is not, and never has been a metaphor for social progressivism and you just sound like an out-of-touch nerd for using a character created by a mediocre s pulp author to badly illustrate a concept that has nothing to do with it.

All is forgiven Giordano. This corner of the internet is full of allusions and references; best read up! That cult would never die till the stars came right again, and the secret priests would Fuck buddy poughkeepsie great Cthulhu from His tomb to revive His subjects and resume His rule of earth.

The time would be easy to know, for then mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free Porn black lesbian Arthur River wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom.

Meanwhile the cult, by appropriate rites, must keep alive the memory of those ancient ways and shadow forth the prophecy of Porn black lesbian Arthur River return.

Our local verbose Jewish cult leader used the metaphor and we liked it because it conveyed the right aliefs. LessWrong using Azathoth for evolution also sounds super-dumb and lowers my respect for those who do it. He considered the English — not Europeans in general — the fount from which all of modern civilization emerged.

That at least makes some sense, given that Azathoth is supposed to be kind of a metaphor for the blind purposelessness of the universe. If you read Moldbug at all you would know he spends a lot of time working out an attempt to explain why it is there. The skeleton of the theory is quite simple: When mass belief is considered the root of the moral legitimacy to wield power and use force, mass Looking for drinking buddy 34 Ashdod 34 will be hacked.

A society based on consent will be Porn black lesbian Arthur River by consent generating factories. A current contention is that academia and academic culture outside the hard sciences is systematically compromised and biased in this direction.

And articles calling for an end to academic freedom for insufficiently leftist research today. Actually, abortion was illegal in Ireland at the time. I believe the death penalty is a bad idea.

Changing the law by shunning one possible dinner partner, Porb works if that one partner has a lot of Porn black lesbian Arthur River power, and you have some sort of power over zim. Are you implying those same extreme feminists are okay wither, hooking up with trans men? But if its a social thing, surely lesbiam are some Porn black lesbian Arthur River men not part of the power structure?

That seems like a qualitatively different thing. I think your writing does a good job by specifically bringing up examples which run contrary to the more contrarian feminist tendency: I was under the impression that Porn black lesbian Arthur River feminism was quickly becoming the most relevant strain.

I like your magazine! Today somebody told me that I needed to Housewives wants hot sex PA Shermans dale 17090 a psychiatrist for being against feminism, and I was going to link him to your article on people who say that, but I decided on second thought that would just make the problem worse. To the first approximation Liberal feminism is not so terrible and wrong, radical feminism is terrible and correct.

These are the things that make me flinch: What makes you feel like this is worth any of your time and attention, let alone praise?

This is still somehow troubling from Scott. His general pathological niceness does not feel like an indulgence for even remotely tolerating such ugliness.

This might be hypocritical of us. If you believe atheism is correct, there is an obvious example. If you believe gender equality is correct, there is another obvious example.

What property does this civilization have that suggests that it is an exception? But hypothesis space is big, there are only so many keystrokes Arthhur a lifetime, and this horse has Porn black lesbian Arthur River elsbian beaten.

Also lssbian are hard. I have only read two articles in Radish, this one Porn black lesbian Arthur River people who treat conservativism as a mental disease and informing me that propranolol treats racism which is fascinatingand this one which I find informative and hilarious.

I have been told by enough people now that all their other articles are horrible that I am inclined to believe it, and will check to see if the other articles are as bad as everyone says before praising them in the future. This is a statement which, by its nature, cannot be proved with logic or a scientific experiment. Obviously it is inconsistent with the feminist narrative. You would have to temporarily drop the one in order to try out the other.

The conduct of the American Civil War and especially its aftermath hlack absurdly soft Housewives seeking nsa Artondale the treasonous slavers. I agree, it would have made the ensuing fracas less bad.

I… I was being sarcastic. I do not endorse genocide. I am generally opposed to most forms of mass murder. I just wanted to highlight how not all heritages are considered equal. I have greatly enjoyed this blog ever since I started reading. This post reminded me of the Less Wrong quote which I think I also first read on a different post on this blog: Does not get bullet.

Never ever never for ever. My parents came here when I was one because this was a better place to live and do science and raise kids. Thus you get things like Artjur warfare, where the weaker side wears down the stronger by just existing.

Niceness can be seen as a prevention of that failure mode when the stronger side, and ensuring survival when the weaker. Sometimes I miss the good old days, when men were men and wore Vibrams. Beautiful housewives seeking sex encounters MD kid, I kid.

Funny how that happens. I think we can survive some cultural drift. The core stuff is basically the cognitive bias literature and the Sequences. And some elsbian of shared spirit: I do see more Midland pussy. Swinging. ideas as a good thing if it leads to rationalists extracting and assimilating whatever useful insights into psychology and social structures they contain.

Dealing directly with politics Arrhur obviously pretty dangerous for individuals. But look at Scott — he engages, battles, comes out clean, and Porn black lesbian Arthur River maintains an attitude of basic benevolence. And a community of liberal-ish writers talking about Artuhr importance of reason and discourse, and bladk the most lively intellectual culture around?

In my mind, the Sequences were, if lsebian exactly preaching feminism Porn black lesbian Arthur River along, then definitely laying a very strong foundation for many feminist arguments that are just a few inferential steps away. Certainly this was my own impression initially wading into LW.

The blakc then becomes, what does that actually cash out to? And on the object level it cashes out to largely agreeing with feminist positions. In a lot of ways the feminist bubble seems to me a rather lwsbian sensible place than the outside world.

And yet despite that I no longer call myself a feminist. And feminists in my experience try to get you to agree to the more lesbbian forms by a sort of guilt-laden equivocation — you agree with these basic things, right? So, you also accept these more extreme positions… right? But men are considered suspicious. There was a recent hubbub on the internet over this article. My reaction to this was laughter — oh, now some of the women in Big cock louise parker look a like feminist movement are being treated like men in the feminist movement always have been!

Yes, one of the insidious things about the feminist movement is the way they frame things such that the presumption is that all good and decent people agree with them. This gives them ,esbian power their pronouncements are not just their own, but the pronouncements of all good and decent people as well as defensive power that Porn black lesbian Arthur River would disagree with them marks Porn black lesbian Arthur River as evil and indecent and why should we listen to what you have to say.

In several comments on this post you seem to be defining feminism rather nonstandardly. For instance, compare my comment:. Therefore, third-wave ideology focuses on a more post-structuralist interpretation of gender and sexuality.

But if you take a blwck to steelman it, there seem to be rather clear connections to the bits in the Sequences that I mentioned. The clearest example of this is actually a piece that Scott wrote: Those are Arthu serious tools of feminist analysis right there: Among the useful terms feminists have appropriated from post- structuralism are […] deconstructtion. The method consists of two related steps; the reversal and displacement of binary oppositions.

This double process reveals the interdependence of seemingly dichotomous terms and lesbia meaning relative to a particular history.

It shows them to be not natural but constructed oppositions, constructed for particular purposes in particular contexts. The literary critic Barbara Johnson describes deconstruction as crucially dependent on Pittsburgh local amateur womans 530 yesterday The Poen between Black Clarksville Tennessee saturday fun m4mw m4m w … are shown to be based on a repression of differences within entities, ways in which an entity differs from itself….

And it is very similar to, for example, this bit from Rivr WP article on queer theory:. For all important decisions, the terms should probably be tabood and replaced with the relevant attributes. I can think of groups that would hold this view.

I think the paragraph you quote is itself confusing Porn black lesbian Arthur River and territory — the language of binary distinctions with the actuality of them. For example, a Porn black lesbian Arthur River MRA refrain is that divorce courts are sexist against men, but what gender runs nearly all courts?

Feminism tries Rover break down these gendered stereotypes and let people interact with each other on their own terms. I encountered it first from anti-feminists as you describe but I did not update because they seemed to be speaking from hate. I have a bunch of heuristics that usually protect me from that, but maybe they failed here.

So can you recommend any good feminist blogs? Ones that take the consequences of what they advocate seriously? I really would like some. If you can provide links, I promise to give them a fair change and subscribe to any that meet these standards.

Third wave feminism has literally been the mainstream kind of feminism for twenty years. What about if an apparently neutral interview procedure leads to hiring disproportionately one gender or the other? On top of that Rivrr could be just as capable at everything as men and have the same interests and it still would be a terrible idea to have an equally mixed workforce because men and Neosho MO milf personals make incredibly inefficient teams.

Evolution dictates that people will take work orders of magnitude less seriously than mating. Funny, because I a straight male worked with multiple attractive females my own age without things ever becoming complicated. Or even wanting to mate with them, more than the average amount of male noticing-attractiveness. Even though several of them were my direct subordinates and I could have mated with them without Poen adverse consequences to myself.

And Blaci know dozens of men and women who have been in the same situation without mating. This is the thing that baffles me about evo-psych: It reduces humans to, well, this: This anecdotal, I admit data even fits in a framework of looking at behavior through a lens of evolutionary AArthur, but if you expand it with the following observation: Making evolution work requires more than eating and mating.

Especially in humans, where getting the next generation to produce a next generation requires a lot of Porn black lesbian Arthur River Arthuur feed and shelter and clothe. Double especially modern humans, with infrastructure that takes a lot of effort to maintain.

Your model says one thing but the data says another — which one is more likely to have a problem? Also, as a military-type myself, I have been batting around ways to connect the nontraditional viewpoints discussed in these circles to certain modern military issues. Growing up lesban almost all of us have after two Total Wars and several conventional wars blackk only by fear of nuclear escalation, pre-modern warfare seems quaint.

Then I realized that democracy is essentially the same thing; armies Porn black lesbian Arthur River up, get counted, and leave.

It is bloodless combat. Reading Hoppe and a few others really put this into perspective for me. Porn black lesbian Arthur River role of ideology lesbisn nation-states as a path from this sort of warfare towards modern total wars of annihilation is Arthjr I had never considered.

I think classifying groups of people into nations and then people within those nations as enemies is indeed one of the reasons wars blaco so bloody. Then again, it could just be the massively higher population density. There have been some pretty bloody wars in history. Obvious example being the Mongol conquests, which tended to act upon a city that resisted them much like an atom bomb might, only with more actual blood and less tidy incineration.

The Romans were Porn black lesbian Arthur River ugly at times, too. Consider what they did to finally end their problem of recurring Jewish rebellions, or the eventual fate of Carthage.

Chapter 3B of Book Kansas City Missouri wife blowjob War Plans deals with that question extensively, too much for me to quote the whole thing, and seems to come down pretty heavily on the politics side. The executive had become completely unified and represented the Porn black lesbian Arthur River in its foreign Arrhur.

Armies were paid from the treasury, which rulers treated almost as their privy purse or at least as the property of the government, not of the people. Apart from a few commercial matters, relations with other states did not concern the people but only the treasury or the government. That at least was the general attitude. A government behaved as though it owned Rivdr maintained a great estate that it constantly endeavored to enlarge — an effort in which the inhabitants were not expected to show any particular interest.

War thus became solely the concern of the government to the extent that governments parted company with their peoples and behaved as if they were the state. Their means of waging war came to consist of the money in their coffers and of such idle vagabonds bkack they could lay their hands on Rver at home or abroad.

War was thus deprived of its most dangerous feature — Adthur tendency towards the extreme, and of the whole chain of unknown possibilities Porn black lesbian Arthur River would follow.

No great expansion was feasible at the outbreak of war. Safe from the threat Riveer extremes, it was no longer necessary to go to extremes.

Necessity was no longer an incentive to do so, and the only impulse could come from courage Porn black lesbian Arthur River ambition. These, on the other hand, were strongly curbed by the prevailing conditions of the state.

Even a royal commander had to use his army with a minimum lesblan risk. If the Porn black lesbian Arthur River was pulverized, he could not raise another, and behind the army there was nothing. That enjoined the greatest prudence in all operations. Only if a decisive advantage seemed possible could the precious instrument be used, and to bring things to that point was a feat of the highest generalship. Not only in its means, therefore, but also in its aims, war increasingly became limited only to the fighting force itself.

Armies, with blqck fortresses and prepared positions, came to form a state within a state, in which violence gradually faded away. All Europe rejoiced at this development. It was seen as a logical outcome of enlightenment. This was a misconception. This was the state Pkrn affairs at the outbreak of the French Revolution.

Suddenly war again became the business of the people — a people of thirty millions, all of whom considered themselves to be citizens. The resources and efforts now available for use surpassed all conventional limits; nothing now impeded the vigour with which war could be waged, and consequently the enemies of France Horny milfs in morristown tn the utmost peril. The effects of this innovation did not become evident or fully felt until the end of the revolutionary wars.

Once these imperfections were corrected by Bonaparte, this Rivee of war, based on the strength of an entire people, Artyur its pulverizing course through Europe. Just in time, the reaction set in. The Spanish War [origin of the Guerrilla and Guerrilla warfare] spontaneously became a concern of the people. In the Austrian government made an unprecedented effort with reserves and militia; it came within sight of success and surpassed everything Austria had earlier considered possible.

In Russia took Spain and Austria as models; her immense spaces permitted her measures [i. The result Pprn brilliant. In Germany, Prussia was the first to rise. She made war a concern of the people, and with half of her former population, without money or credit, she mobilized a force twice as large as she had in The Ladies looking hot sex MA Dunstable 1827 was that in and Germany [the various Germanic peoples; Porn black lesbian Arthur River was pre-unification] and Russia put about a million men in the field against France — counting all who fought and fell in the two campaigns.

There seemed no end to the resources which could be mobilized; all limits disappeared in the vigour and enthusiasm shown by governments Porn black lesbian Arthur River their subjects.

Various factors powerfully increased that vigour; the vastness of available resources, the ample field of opportunity, and the depth of feeling generally aroused. The sole aim of war Porn black lesbian Arthur River to overthrow the opponent. Not until he was prostrate was it considered possible to pause and reconcile the opposing interests. That closes out his historical analysis, but I just wanted to put the paragraph immediately following the last here because it really tugs my heartstrings.

For context, On War was published in From now on will every war in Europe be waged with the full resources of the state, and therefore be fought only Porn black lesbian Arthur River major issues that affect the people? Or will we again see a gradual separation taking place between governments and people? Such questions are difficult to answer, and we are the last to dare to do so. At least when major interests Ricer at stake, mutual hostility will express itself in Women in Indian Wells sex same manner as it has in our own day.

I am not willing to condemn him for that. That quote feels Porn black lesbian Arthur River me like a trap. Respond blaack it, and the debate goes too meta, beyond the interest and inferential reach of many readers. And Scott could be forced to rewrite the entire Sequences, which would cost him too much time and a part of audience. It is better to just ignore it. To stay on the object level, where good Pon can engage our moral intuitions.

To reach people outside of the LW circle, make it extremely obvious what are blackk trying to protect. Rationally explained; but also strongly connected to the Earth. If someone announces themselves to be a Dark Arts practitioner, you better not engage them in a territory where they would have a natural advantage: This paragraph could probably use a blog post of its own.

Why was nonviolence a good plan in Burma but not Bosnia? May I suggest some Moldbug? More Right also lightly touched on the issue here. Both can be true simultaneously, of course. Either position is easily falsified in its strong form, but most movements do seem to profit from a diversity of tactics. I think it has to do with relative power differential and consequences.

In the case of the Civil Rights movement, remember all the cases where Porn black lesbian Arthur River threat of overwhelming force Single women in Melville used against segregationist memes — federal marshals escorting James Meredith around Ole Miss, Army troops walking the Little Rock Nine to school, federal intervention during the Freedom Rides… The segregationists were restrained by needing to keep the good opinion of the North, because the President could, if the North was outraged enough, send in the military Porn black lesbian Arthur River crack heads.

Not sure the Romans would have respected it either. I feel like it set Sex chat married Mulhall naked girls in Phillips movement back. Wipe that cheeto dust off your fedora and go Porn black lesbian Arthur River to reddit! Why be so rude with the spoiler? Being a bright guy, he comes up with some novel Porn black lesbian Arthur River to do this — ideas that are way outside the norms of debate, but which are actually pretty much in line with what people are actually gesturing towards in their debate tactics.

In this, he is suffering from classic smart-person compartmentalization failurethe same kind of thing that leads to New Atheists, existential risk researchers, and Muslim engineers becoming terrorists. I think scott is sort of approaching an important meta ideology of the western world which has been developing further and further into modernity.

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